A Word of Caution on Watchman Nee and R.C. Sproul

A Word of Caution on Watchman Nee and R.C. Sproul

Mike Jeshurun

 Dearly Beloved,

As a young Christian I purchased and read Watchman Nee’s two famous books – ‘The Normal Christian Life’ and another one titled – ‘Sit, Walk, Stand’. For some reason I did not finish reading these books. This in spite of being an ardent reader of all kinds of theology in my younger days.

Watchman Nee was an Arminian without doubt. But he was an OSAS Arminian. Now what in the world is OSAS Arminian, you ask? Simple – Once Saved Always Saved Arminian!

Please read and ponder the following quotes by Nee very carefully–

“Whatever the church binds on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever the church looses on earth will be loosed in heaven. This is a very important principle: today God works through the church. God cannot do anything at will; He has to do everything through the church. Without going through the church, God cannot do anything. Brothers and sisters, this is a very sober principle. God cannot do anything by Himself today. There is a free will besides His will. If this will does not cooperate with Him, He cannot do anything. The amount of power that the church has expresses the amount of power that God has because His power is expressed through the church. God has placed Himself in the church. The height and extent that the church reaches is the height and extent that God’s power reaches. If the power of the church is small and restricted, God cannot express the height or extensiveness of His power”.

“God wants to do many things on earth today. But He must have the church stand on His side before He can accomplish these things through the church. God cannot do what He wants to do by Himself; He has to do it with the cooperation of the church. The church is the means through which God expresses Himself. Let me repeat: the church is like a water tap. If the tap is small, the amount of water flowing through the tap will not be great, even if there is as much water as the Yangtze River. God truly wants to work in heaven, but He has to wait for the earth to move before He can work. There are many things that God wants to bind in heaven, and there are many things that God wants to loose in heaven. God wants to see many people, objects, and things contrary to Him bound, and He wants to see many spiritual, valuable, beneficial, and holy things that are of Him loosed. The question is whether or not there are men on earth to bind what God wants to bind and loose what God wants to loose. He wants the earth to control heaven. God wants the church to control heaven.

Brothers and sisters, have you seen this? There is a power in the church which puts God’s power under its control. It can allow God to do what He wants to do, and it can stop God from doing what He wants to do.

Hence, if the church decides to consider a man a Gentile, God in heaven will consider him a Gentile also. If the church considers a man a tax collector, God in heaven will consider him a tax collector also. In other words, God will do in heaven what the church does on earth. If the church considers a brother a Gentile and a tax collector, God in heaven will consider the same brother a Gentile and a tax collector”.

[The above are excerpts from “The Prayer Ministry of the Church – Watchman Nee]

Surely the God of Watchman Nee is not the God you and I worship! As Herman Hoeksema profoundly states, “An anxious and pleading God, whose power is limited, and whose hands may be tied by the proud and stubborn sinner, who is less than dust of the balance, is no God, but a miserable idol!

Mr. Nee emphasized a great deal on prayer to the point where he believed that the Church controlled Heaven and not the other way round. This is very akin to the ‘Word-faith’ movement of Kenneth Hagin and Oral Roberts, that God is some sort of a genie waiting to be let loose to fulfill our pleas, of course through prayer. The heretic Hagin went so far as to say that you don’t even need to pray it, but just say it! His favorite verse was –

“For verily I say unto you, whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith”. (not prayeth) [Mark 11:23]

But Spurgeon was right when he reminded us –

“There is a limit to the doctrine of the prayer of faith. We are not to expect that God will give us everything we choose to ask for. We know that we sometimes ask, and do not receive, because we ask amiss. If we ask for that which is not promised–if we run counter to the spirit which the Lord would have us cultivate–if we ask contrary to His will, or to the decrees of His providence–if we ask merely for the gratification of our own ease, and without an eye to His glory, we must not expect that we shall receive”. [Spurgeon daily Evening May 19]

Watchman Nee once said –

‘If I place a piece of paper in a book and burn the book, where is the piece of paper?’ No prize for saying that it has gone, as it has been burned as well. In like manner, believers have been placed ‘in Christ’, so that whatever has happened to Christ has also happened them. When Jesus died and rose again, so did we spiritually, and never again will God see a believer as anything other than a new creation ‘in Christ Jesus’. We are forever united and joined to Christ and His history is our history”!

This is an amazing statement coming from an Arminian. This would have been commendable had he faithfully preached all the five points of the Reformed Faith as they are taught in the Word of God rather than preach what seemed more agreeable to his feelings and plausible to his understanding. In modifying and denying the harsher and controversial doctrines of Calvinism he has developed a theology that is inconsistent and contradictory. Having denied the doctrine of ‘Total Depravity’ and ‘Limited Atonement’ Mr. Nee’s illustrious and profound teachings on the ‘Perseverance of the Saints’ amounts to nothing but sounding brass and a tinkling cymbal.

It is a contradiction to contend for the free-will of fallen man and yet at the same time the eternal security of the believer. They both cannot be true. Jesus taught that our will is determined by our nature. He said “Every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit” [Mt 7:17,18]. The tree is not free to produce good or bad fruit at random but is governed by its nature. But, if according to the Watchman Nee, the fallen, depraved sinner is free to choose God and holiness against his nature, then there can be no guarantee that the believer who has partaken of the Divine nature will cease to choose that which is evil in the life to come.

In fact a person whose will is “free” would be a dangerous associate even in heaven; for his acts would be irrational and we would have no way of knowing what he might do under any conditions. That which guarantees the permanence of the states of the saved and the lost in the next world, is the fact that volition’s are a true expression of the person’s nature. The born-again child of God will forever continue to choose that which is holy and good because his nature (heart) has been changed and God has made as it were the tree good and its fruit good’ [Matt.12:33]. Whereas the wicked, after the restraining influences of the Holy Spirit are withdrawn, become bold, defiant, blasphemous, and sin with an irremediable obstinacy.

“Only the Calvinistic principle that the will is determined by the nature of the person and the inducements presented, reaches a conclusion in harmony with that of Scripture which affirms that “there is a great gulf fixed”, so that none can pass over, — that the states of the saved and the lost alike are permanent”. [Lorraine Boettner]

Again, it is a contradiction to speak of an Unlimited Atonement saying, “Jesus Christ in His death purposed to die as a substitute for everyman” and at the same time contend for the eternal security of the believer. For if Christ is the propitiation for those that are lost equally as much as for those that are saved, then what assurance have we that believers too may not be lost?

“If Christ is the propitiation for those now in hell, what guarantee have I that I may not end in hell? The blood-shedding of the incarnate Son of God is the only thing that can keep anyone out of hell, and if many for whom that precious blood made propitiation are now in that awful place of the damned, then may not that blood prove inefficacious for me! Away with such a God-dishonoring thought”!! [Pink]

The doctrine of the Perseverance of the Saints is stated in the Westminster Confession in the following words: “They whom God hath accepted in His Beloved, effectually called and sanctified by His Spirit, can neither totally nor finally fall away from the state of grace; but shall certainly persevere therein to the end, and be eternally be saved.” Or in other words we believe that those who once become true Christians cannot totally fall away and be lost—that while they may fall into sin temporarily, they will eventually return and be saved.

This doctrine does not stand alone but is a necessary part of the Calvinistic system of theology. The doctrines of Election and Effficacious Grace logically imply the certain salvation of those who receive these blessings. If God has chosen men absolutely and unconditionally to eternal life, and if His Spirit effectively applies to them the benefits of redemption, the inescapable conclusion is that these persons shall be saved. And, historically, this doctrine has been held by all Calvinists, and denied by practically all Arminians except those Arminians who are termed ‘OSAS Arminians’ like Watchman Nee.

Watchman Nee has the same mindset as some famous Christian Pietists as Madame Guyon, Thomas A. Kempis, John Wesley etc. And as one who loves the Absolute Sovereignty of God and is fully convinced of the Total depravity of man, I wouldn’t want anything to do with such men!

R.C. Sproul

I have not studied much of R.C. Sproul. He appears to be a consistent Calvinist. But there is more to ‘the whole counsel of God’ [Acts 20:27] than just Calvinism!

As Pink reminded us- “When God raises up His servant, equips him and sends him forth to preach, that servant will necessarily preach the Word, and denounce all that is opposed to the world: hence his message is bound to be unpopular, in fact hated by all who are not regenerated”!

Take the Pagan Romish celebration of Christmas for instance. Here is Sproul’s wise counsel on it –

“That question comes up every year at Christmastime. In the first place, there’s no direct biblical commandment to celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25. There’s nothing in the Bible that would even indicate that Jesus was born on December 25. In fact, there’s much in the New Testament narratives that would indicate that it didn’t occur during that time of year. It just so happens that on the twenty-fifth of December in the Roman Empire there was a pagan holiday that was linked to mystery religions; the pagans celebrated their festival on December 25. The Christians didn’t want to participate in that, and so they said, “While everybody else is celebrating this pagan thing, we’re going to have our own celebration. We’re going to celebrate the thing that’s most important in our lives, the incarnation of God, the birth of Jesus Christ. So this is going to be a time of joyous festivities, of celebration and worship of our God and King.”

I can’t think of anything more pleasing to Christ than the church celebrating his birthday every year. Keep in mind that the whole principle of annual festival and celebration is deeply rooted in ancient Jewish tradition. In the Old Testament, for example, there were times when God emphatically commanded the people to remember certain events with annual celebrations. While the New Testament doesn’t require that we celebrate Christmas every year, I certainly see nothing wrong with the church’s entering into this joyous time of celebrating the Incarnation, which is the dividing point of all human history. Originally, it was intended to honor, not Mithras or any of the other mystery religion cults, but the birth of our King.

Incidentally, Easter can be traced to Ishtar in the ancient world. But the Christian church coming together to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus is hardly something I think would provoke the wrath of God. I wish we had more annual festivals. The Roman Catholic Church, for example, celebrates with great joy the Feast of the Ascension every year. Some Protestant bodies do, but most do not. I wish we would celebrate that great event in the life of Christ when he was raised up into heaven to be crowned King of kings and Lord of lords. We celebrate his birth; we celebrate his death. I wish we would also celebrate his coronation”. [Is the celebration of Christmas a Pagan Ritual – R.C. Sproul]

Beloved, what would you do if you heard the preacher say from the Pulpit the above words?! I would puke (throw up) and walk right out of that ‘Church’ and warn others to get out of it!

Incidentally Sproul’s compromising sermons has gathered 1,400 ‘Christians’ and now they are building a new building because it has grown to 1,500. Here is a quote from his website –

“Given our rapid growth and lack of space to expand in our current location, the Session of Saint Andrew’s, after deliberating and reviewing our needs over two years, has unanimously agreed to recommend the purchase of eight acres of land (with parking on approximately six more acres) and to move ahead with plans to construct a new sanctuary seating 1,400 to 1,500 people, plus an all-purpose fellowship hall that will include offices, nursery, classrooms, choir rehearsal area, dining and fellowship space”.

There is a popular saying – “Tell me who your friends are, and I’ll tell you who you are”! Concerning the Ministry I would say – “Tell me how many attend your Church and I’ll tell you what you preach”! [2tim 4:3]

R.C. Sproul also sells his tapes and books. Henry Mahan does too! But Brother Mahan makes it very plain that the cost is only for what goes into the making of those tapes and books and not the content! The content if it is the truth at all is God’s property and should not be sold! “Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding”. [Prov 23:23].

Buy the truth? Yes, I will buy it, (Hebrew word is ‘ganah’ meaning: acquire, obtain.) I will acquire it, I will receive it, I will accept it; pay whatever price is necessary to obtain it-to lay down the self life, that I might receive it. But then, having received a Word from the Lord, what do I do with it? I do what my Master told me to do – “freely you have received, freely give”! [Mat 10:8]

Men like Sproul charge for the content! i.e. the revelation received from God! This is wrong! There should be no copyright on God’s Word!

This is another reason that the NIV is not of God, for it is copyrighted! Isn’t it amazing that the King James Bible is the ONLY Bible that is not OWNED by men?  That’s right! The King James Bible has no COPYRIGHT ownership! Its copyright is the CROWN COPYRIGHT which ALLOWS it to be published by ANYONE, ANYTIME! Without asking ANYBODY for permission! “. . .but the word of God is NOT BOUND.” 2 Timothy 2:9

As one preacher put it, The Gospel and preaching is one beggar sharing his bread with another! And beggars should not sell what they got as beggars!

21 thoughts on “A Word of Caution on Watchman Nee and R.C. Sproul

  1. Thank you our dear brother for standing up against men who refuse to stand only for what they can read and see from “THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD”~but must say things to cause the man of sin to feel comfortable within God’s temple.

  2. Thanks Brother Red. I always have more compassion for Christians who are struggling with their weaknesses than I have for so called teachers who deliberately pervert the gospel for gains sake! “I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars”! [Rev 2:2]

  3. Hi guys,

    I am always troubled when I hear the church arguing among themselves. It always causes division. Although these topics need discussion we don’t need to drag our brothers and sisters names into it.

    Jesus said in John 13:34-35

    “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

    I have said this before when I’ve discovered other arguing and defaming names and getting nasty that the world is watching and if they will know we are His disciples if we love each other they will assume we are frauds when we fight each other.

    1st Cor 3:2-3 I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarrelling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere humans?

    lets stop acting like mere humans and act like brothers who are all trying to spread the truth and discover where we are wrong. Iron does sharpen Iron.

    Be careful not to assume that because you may be right in your argument theologically that you should disassociate with brothers you know are wrong.

    1st Cor 1:11-12 My brothers and sisters, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas”; still another, “I follow Christ.”

    Notice that Paul corrected even the group who was correct. We are to follow Christ but we are never to divide or separate ourselves away from true believers who have error in their beliefs instead we should work out our theology together. Most often both sides had error. Just like a little leaven leavens the whole lump the smallest error in our theology can stunt our entire christian life.

    For all these reasons I believe the fight we should seek out is that of bringing the entire body of Christ together. Yes there has been great reasons for disagreement between Denominations and between believers however I believe each Denomination and believer has both thing they need to be taught and corrected on and also many things they can help correct and teach the rest of us .

    I for one have more that I need to learn than have to teach.

    K

  4. Hi again.

    Now on with the discussion. 🙂

    Your quotes greatly troubled me. I am a watchman nee fan but I hadn’t read the book you quoted before reading your article. I was shock he would say such a thing but I started thinking,”well he is just a man, maybe he is in great error this time” so I decided to read it to find out .

    If anyone is interested here is a link to a free pdf of the book.

    http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CFIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teachtheword.com%2Fwatchman_nee_pdf%2FThe%2520Prayer%2520Ministry%2520of%2520the%2520Church.pdf&ei=GBi8T_G6O5Of6QH2vPAv&usg=AFQjCNG_jtpfHfLdP1NwbeRc5h2xH2hY2g&sig2=Zkx4a_Hps8rWAx5AzzB2Wg

    I’m half way through it now and will have finished it tonight. I would be interested in
    it with you if your interested. I’m not looking for a fight. lol ;-p Just a good discussion.

    To start off here is a quote I have found already which I think can be helpful to understand his thinking:

    According to the record in Genesis 2, God gave man a free will when He created him. God has His will, but so too has man his will. When a man’s will is not in agreement with God’s will, God is instantly being restricted. Suppose, for example, that you are all alone in a room containing a table, chairs, a floor and ceiling. You will not be restricted at all by these objects. They simply cannot limit you. Now God is the God of power; He is able to do anything. Had the earth only been filled with things devoid of spirit, God would not be restricted in the least. One day, however, He creates man. This creation is different from a piece of stone or segment of wood; man is not like a table or a chair, incapable of resisting God’s ability to place it or move it as He wills. The man whom God has created possesses a free will. He is capable of deciding whether or not he will listen to God, for God has not created a man who must hear Him. Upon His having created a man with such a free will, God’s power is thereby restricted by this man. He cannot automatically do what He wills to do, but instead He must ask the man whether he himself is also willing. God cannot treat man as though he were wood, stone, a table or a chair—simply because man has a free will. From the day God created man and even up to this present hour, man’s free will may either allow or hinder God’s authority to get through.

    Another helpful quote is:

    “Now obviously this in no way can imply that we can force God to do what He will not do; not at all. Rather, it simply means that we may command Him to do what He desires to do. And this shall be the ground on which we stand. It is because we know God’s will that we may say to Him: “God, we want You to do this thing, we are determined that You do it, You cannot but do it.” And thus shall we have strong and powerful prayer. How we need to ask God to open our eyes that we may see how His work is done in this dispensation. For during this present age all the works of God are done on this very ground: Heaven desires to do, but heaven will not act right away; it waits for the earth to do first, and then it will do it. Though earth stands second, it nevertheless is also first. Heaven will move only after earth has moved. For God wills to have the earth govern heaven.”

    One of the things I think he is saying is that if God didn’t wait for our will to be in line with his we would have no free will.

    Please let me know what you think.

    hope to talk to you soon

    K

    • What did Adam do with his free will and what do men do with thier free will ? Answer – rebel aginst God and sin all day long acting according to their fallen sinful nature in Adam

  5. Hi Mike,

    I just re-read my first post. I want to apologize it reads a lot more adversarial then I intended. Like many I get passionate about topics sometimes and meant no disrespect.

    Karm

  6. Dear Karm,
    Thank you for all your responses and your interest in theology. 

    To get directly to the point. What do we mean when we say a man does not have a ‘free-will’? First let me explain what we do not mean. We do not mean that in the general course of things that a man does not have the power to choose. Starting from when he wakes up in the morning, a man ‘chooses’ whether he should go to work or stay back, whether he should have meat and potatoes or bread and eggs for breakfast and so on. Man is constantly making choices and is free to do so. 

    But when it comes to believing in the Lord Jesus and following Him as His disciple, MAN’S WILL IS NOT FREE! Instead of saying, “God GIVES us the ‘freedom of will'” to choose Him, it would be more accurate to say – that God GAVE us the freedom of will in Adam, but we squandered it by disobedience and brought ourselves into bondage! 

     In unfallen Adam the will was free, free in both directions, free toward good and free toward evil. Adam was created in a state of innocency, but not in a state of holiness, as is so often assumed and asserted. Adam’s will was therefore in a condition of moral equipoise: that is to say, in Adam there was no constraining bias in him toward either good or evil, and as such, Adam differed radically from all his descendants. But with the fallen sinner it is far otherwise. 

    The sinner is born with a will that is not in a condition of moral equipoise, because in him there is a heart that is “deceitful above all things and desperately wicked”, and this gives him a bias toward evil. . Now in contradistinction from the will of the Lord Jesus which was biased toward good, and Adam’s will which, before his fall, was in a condition of moral equipoise — capable of turning toward either good or evil — the sinner’s will is biased toward evil, and therefore is free in one direction only, namely, in the direction of evil. The sinner’s will is enslaved because it is in bondage to and is the servant of a depraved heart.

    In what does the sinner’s freedom consist? This question is naturally suggested by what we have just said above. The sinner is “free” in the sense of being unforced from without. God never forces the sinner to sin. But the sinner is not “free” to do either good or evil, because an evil heart within is ever inclining him toward sin. Let us illustrate what we have in mind. I hold in my hand a book. I release it; what happens? It falls. In which direction? Downwards; always downwards. Why? Because, answering the law of gravity, its own weight sinks it. Suppose I desire that book to occupy a position three feet higher; then what? I must lift it; a power outside of that book must raise it. 

    Such is the relationship which fallen man sustains toward God. While divine power upholds him, he is preserved from plunging still deeper into sin; let that power be withdrawn, and he falls — his own weight (of sin) drags him down. God does not push him down, any more than I did that book. Let all divine restraint be removed, and every man is capable of becoming, would become, a Cain, a Pharaoh, a Judas. How then is the sinner to move heavenwards? BY AN ACT OF HIS OWN WILL? NOT SO! A power outside of himself must grasp hold of him and lift him every inch of the way. The sinner is free, but free in one direction only — free to fall, free to sin. As the Word expresses it: “For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness” Rom. 6:20. The sinner is free to do as he pleases, always as he pleases (except as he is restrained by God), but his pleasure is to sin.

    So, Does it lie within the power of man’s will to accept or reject the Lord Jesus Christ as Saviour? Let us attempt an answer by asking several others: Can water (of itself) rise above its own level? Can a clean thing come out of an unclean? Can the will reverse the whole tendency and strain of human nature? Can that which is under the dominion of sin originate that which is pure and holy? Manifestly not. If ever the will of a fallen and depraved creature is to move God-wards, a Divine power must be brought to bear upon it which will overcome the influences of sin that pull in a counter direction. 

    This is only another way of saying, “No man CAN COME to me, except the Father which hath sent me, DRAW him” John 6:44. In other words, God’s people must be made willing in the day of His power Psa. 110:3. As said John Nelson Darby, “If Christ came to save that which is lost, free will has no place. Not that God prevents men from receiving Christ — far from it. But even when God uses all possible inducements, all that is capable of exerting influence in the heart of man, it only serves to show that man will have none of it, that so corrupt is his heart, and so decided his will not to submit to God (however much it may be the devil who encourages him to sin) that nothing can induce him to receive the Lord, and to give up sin”!

    So then Salvation “is not of him that WILLETH, nor of him that RUNNETH, but OF GOD that sheweth mercy” Rom. 9:16. 

    “No man can come to Me, except the Father which hath sent Me, DRAW him” John 6:44.

  7. Wow.. I Don’t Think I Or Most Christians Totally Agree On Every Point Of Doctrine With Watchman Nee Or Any Relatively Modern Christian Writer, And Certainly Not With Everything Calvin Said Either.

    Let’s Read Between The Lines.

    Surely the God of Watchman Nee is not the God you and I worship! As Herman Hoeksema profoundly states, “An anxious and pleading God, whose power is limited, and whose hands may be tied by the proud and stubborn sinner, who is less than dust of the balance, is no God, but a miserable idol!

    So Watchman Nee Was Never Born Again.
    So You As An Ex- Satanist Are His Final Judge…Right ?

    I DON’T THINK SO.

    After He Did Not Worship The Same God, So You Say.

    Many Born Again Believer’s Have Differered Through Out The Centuries….Was John Wesley Lost Too ? He Did Not Hold To Calvin’s Doctrines… But Even Spurgeon Admired Him, Though He Did Not Agree With Him.

    If You Become Judge. Jury And Executioner Those Who Are Known To Be God’s People By Their Faith In The Blood Of Jesus , You Could Be In Danger Of Developing Your Very Own Little Christian Cult.

    And I Have No Reason To Doubt That You Have Been Born Again, But Neither Do I Doubt That The Likes Of Men Such As Nee Or Wesley Were Born Again.

    • Thanks for your comment Sir. There are many doctrines in Scripture which we can ‘agree to disagree’ on. Eschatology for instance!

      But in things concerning Soteriology, the Scriptures are very definite! Man is totally depraved and cannot come to Christ! In fact the carnal mind is enmity toward God! Unless God draws him, he cannot come because he will not come!

      And God teaches all children this truth sooner or later! Then how much more whom God has called to preach! True preachers will always be zealous to preach the truth no matter how offensive it is.

      And incidentally the Doctrine of Predestination did not originate with Calvin! It was our Lord who said – “No man CAN COME to Me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him” and again “I lay down My life for the sheep” (not the goats)!

      If a man insists on free will, he cannot be a preacher sent by God!

      As for Spurgeon, though a saved man, he compromised concerning Wesley! Is it any wonder he had thousands attending his Church?

      The Christian has a moral imperative to examine what is proclaimed in Jesus’ Name, and to expose and condemn false teaching and unbiblical behaviour.” The apostle Paul felt it necessary at times to rebuke people by name in epistles meant to be read publicly [Phil. 4:2-3; I Tim. 1:20; II Tim. 2:17]. John, the apostle of love, wrote a scorching condemnation of Diotrephes, a church leader who was ignoring the apostles’ teaching [III John 9:10]. The biblical challenge is not to avoid truth that is controversial, but to speak the truth in love [Eph. 4:15].”

      But thank you for commenting sir. I appreciate it!

      Love
      Mike

  8. As an avid reader of Watchman Nee, his style of writing is to say something and then take several pages and/or chapters to explain what he said. You can’t take what he says out of context from the whole chapter. People do that with the Bible too.

  9. Very good article, and it is good that you warn the brethren of these men and their teachings.

    When I was in a cult shortly after becoming “born again”, we were encouraged to read Watchman Nee. I never really got into him, but do realize that he had some major errors, similar to the “Shepherding movement”, home fellowships, etc., His group were cultish in practice similar to the one I did belong too many, many years ago. I also found him to be a bit “mystical” encouraging to “practice the presence”, something which I no longer do and it’s been decades.
    Though his words may sound good and true to babes in Christ, similar to Oswald Chambers, they do lead to major error. I no longer read any of them.

    And when you think about it, as soon as I read where “the power belongs to the church and controls heaven”, well that struck me rather strongly because the Roman Catholic church does believe in that same “ideal”. Is this not another form of “replacement theology? It sure sounds like it to me.

    Now for RC Sproule, this man has also preached at the “Chrystal Cathedral” back in the 80’s on a number of occasions and was NEVER rebuked for such compromise. He surely did NOT preach repentance to it’s congregation for he was invited back! There are other major compromise issues with this man, so in my books he is a false teacher and I never follow him, nor encourage others to do so.

    Thanks again for blowing the warning trumpet my dear brother. The Lord bless you for your faithfulness!

    • Thank you dear Brother Cal, for your encouragement. As you already know I have nothing personal against Watchman Nee or any other false teacher that I expose. And at times it is quite unpleasant to do this, but somebody’s got to do it!
      I praise God for the light He has given you to discern these things in the light of His Word and to hold fast to that which is good!

      The majority of God’s children have at sometime or other sat under ‘false teachers’ but the Spirit of God is faithful to them them the error and bring them out of it. As the Lord Himself testified concerning His sheep – “My sheep hear My voice and they follow Me, and the voice of a ‘Stranger’ THEY WILL NOT FOLLOW, FOR THEY KNOW NOT THE VOICE OF STRANGERS”!

      Keep up the good work, dear Brother, for the end of all things is at hand!

      Love
      Mike!

    • Wow , did you attend the same cultic church I did ? probably not but they practiced the very same thing , even the shepherding movement , submission to leaders in all ares of life . Im so thankful God pulled me out of that . Yes it is true, even though we may start there we are listening for the voice of the true shepherd , Our Lord Jesus and that is not easy to find.

      • Victor,
        I’m interested to know which “cultic church” did you attend?
        The one I was involved with was a home fellowship which was located outside of Toronto. Their name was “His Rest Christian Fellowship” lead by a dutch woman. And it was anything but “His Rest”! They also practiced the “shepherding movement”. That we could also become “perfect” on earth, and win the world for Christ. Domination was their goal, to prepare the world for the arrival of Christ. Other wise called “Dominionism”. I no longer hold to these false teachings.
        Hope to hear from you.
        Sorry it took so long to respond, it’s been a crazy year.
        The Lord bless you.

  10. This is really amazing! The analogy of a burnt paper inside the book which Watchman Nee used to prove his “once saved alway saved” doctrine so perfectly fits only the Calvinistic doctrine of salvation that anyone pondering over it will wonder why Watchman Nee still bought into the heresy of Arminianism!

    Ah, carnal minds and unregenerate souls will so readily accept the “parts” of the doctrine that gives them security and gratifies their flesh, but they will never choose that “part” of the doctrine that glorifies God and abases man!

    If a man can draw up such analogy and yet still resist the naked truth that it so easily portrays, then it shows that his natural blindness is still upon his eyes, and that he loved the praises of God more than the glory of God.

  11. When I was first converted I atteneded a church who preached the teachings of Watchman Nee. They preached if the church would get it together Christ would come . The Lord provided me with a dear brother who took me on a walk one day and told me that wasnt true , i began serching the scriptires for myself and indeed found he was right .
    Now on R.C. that is a bit difficult . He is known for his solicitation for funds, they use to call my home because I did donate at one time and his emphasis on Calvanism is a bit over board. The once gathered together and preached form Calvins institutes, I think if Calvin were alive he would have gone in and cleansed that place. I don’t believe he meant for all this hubub to be going on in his name.
    And as far as A.W. Pink . I aleays defend him. He refused to compromise with the church .

    • Thank you for all your comments Brother Victor. It is no small blessing to run into a ‘like-minded’ brother in these ungodly days. Very few of us left on the planet. May the good Lord richly bless you and continue to uphold you till the end. ❤

  12. I truly believe that God has a permissive will and a divine will.

    Example: God permitted Jonah to get in the ship and go down to Tarsus…..
    But God’s divine will was for Jonah to go down to Nivenna…. God’s divine will and sovereignty had it’s way.

    Ephesians 1:11 says so plainly. “God works ALL things after the counsel of his own will”. Free will of man can never give him a new nature (only) divine sovereignty can do this.
    Free will of man attempting > his own – transformation – his own reformation – is not and could never be God’s sovereign will of regeneration ~

    Dodi

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